Our whole system seems to be setup to support women so they can claim to be independent: Child support, alimony, welfare, food stamps, women-only shelters, maternity leave, part-time/flextime, additional health care coverage, after school programs, daycare programs (employer/school/government/business), and on and on.
Now women claim that these things are all "for the children", but then call fathers deadbeats and claim they are doing it all on their own....which is impossible. They are getting a ton of help from fathers directly (usually court ordered under penalty of imprisonment), or through government aid (of which women take out a lot more than they put in). What we really have is not women independent of the help of men, because they are still as dependent on men as ever. What we really have is women are independent of men having any say whatsoever over them or their own children anymore. Fathers (and non-fathers for that matter) still bear the burden of children, but have zero benefits unless women allow them to.
Neat... very neat! the very fact that they are supported means they are emphatically not 'independent'. Nothing new there......
BTW:- Feminism is a movement that can only breathe in the rich air of luxury wrought by the damned hard work of countless men over the millenia (with the support of their women who did the other half of the work, but now have to 'do it all' to 'have it all'), to generate a society which is comparatively rich. Those riches are flying offshore rapidly as we speak, so I guess there'll be glut of feminist tomes on amazon.com.
The way independent women get support isn't through programming, generally. They get it through a variety of ways including spiritual communities, book clubs, friends, hobbies, through their careers, etc.
And while I know I may not be representative of most women, I was absolutely happy and content when I was single and living alone. Truly. I'm only married now because I met the most incredible man in the world and he is super kind about letting me have my alone time. HE is the one who brought up monogamy and who wanted to be married.
It's a bit of a stretch, Turtle, to suggest that as a medical professional you are meeting a true cross-section of society through your work. I literally would have been completely happy living my entire life as a single woman without anyone else. Well...except I wanted men for sex and a little bit of companionship now and again. You know, pizza, beer, sex...then see you in a week or so. Never once did I ask for commitment from any man. Never wanted it.
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Our whole system seems to be setup to support women so they can claim to be independent: Child support, alimony, welfare, food stamps, women-only shelters, maternity leave, part-time/flextime, additional health care coverage, after school programs, daycare programs (employer/school/government/business), and on and on.
Now women claim that these things are all "for the children", but then call fathers deadbeats and claim they are doing it all on their own....which is impossible. They are getting a ton of help from fathers directly (usually court ordered under penalty of imprisonment), or through government aid (of which women take out a lot more than they put in). What we really have is not women independent of the help of men, because they are still as dependent on men as ever. What we really have is women are independent of men having any say whatsoever over them or their own children anymore. Fathers (and non-fathers for that matter) still bear the burden of children, but have zero benefits unless women allow them to.
Neat... very neat! the very fact that they are supported means they are emphatically not 'independent'. Nothing new there......
BTW:- Feminism is a movement that can only breathe in the rich air of luxury wrought by the damned hard work of countless men over the millenia (with the support of their women who did the other half of the work, but now have to 'do it all' to 'have it all'), to generate a society which is comparatively rich. Those riches are flying offshore rapidly as we speak, so I guess there'll be glut of feminist tomes on amazon.com.
The way independent women get support isn't through programming, generally. They get it through a variety of ways including spiritual communities, book clubs, friends, hobbies, through their careers, etc.
And while I know I may not be representative of most women, I was absolutely happy and content when I was single and living alone. Truly. I'm only married now because I met the most incredible man in the world and he is super kind about letting me have my alone time. HE is the one who brought up monogamy and who wanted to be married.
It's a bit of a stretch, Turtle, to suggest that as a medical professional you are meeting a true cross-section of society through your work. I literally would have been completely happy living my entire life as a single woman without anyone else. Well...except I wanted men for sex and a little bit of companionship now and again. You know, pizza, beer, sex...then see you in a week or so. Never once did I ask for commitment from any man. Never wanted it.
Too many.
Sometimes I think our feminised society is a house of cards This forced equality will collapse as soon as all the programs and funding dry up.
If women could/would stand on their own that would be another thing.
They are not genetically inclined to be totally independent. And psychological things like depression can come from this.
If you deny this scientific fact and thumb down this question, you are just plain insecure and have an inferiority complex.
Zero.
Independent women are independent.
Women who depend on social programs are dependent.
See the difference?
Uh, define independent. There is a difference between single career women and single moms who want to raise their kids.