I am positing that lack of a brain denotes a lack of consciousness. You simply do not think without a brain, but it was mainly a philosophical and ethical question.
Also there are many conservatives who are pro-war, and consider military intervention necessary in almost ever occasion where it could be used.
An unborn developing human (of any stage) has none to questionable consciousness at the early stages of pregnancy, but a fully developed adult human has no question of consciousness or personality.
With many conservatives, who are also anti-abortion, supporting military conflicts as well as drafts (where service is mandated by the government.) Is it not unethical or hypocritical to say it is wrong to kill what they consider a human being that is developing, but to allow a fully grown human to be forced into service that is potentially or certainly life-threatening and often results in death?
Furthermore, if it is ethical to sacrifice soldiers life to keep and maintain society, would it not equally be ethical to terminate the life of a developing human to keep and maintain society?
First Note: Your beliefs that it is a human does not make it one. I cannot believe a splinter is a fully-grown tree and by that belief make it such.
Secondary Note: Don't even both to reply if you are just going to reply "Dumbest question ever..." if you are too ignorant or unintelligent to understand the depth of the question, don't even bother.
Third Note: I have need the "Silent Scream" many times and though it pulls at the heartstrings, it is not based on solid scientific fact or evidence.
Fourth Note: Historically-speaking war has killed more than abortion in the United States. The sum total of the abortions of the U.S., U.K., France, and other countries don't even outnumber those dead from wars only 1800 to now, let alone considering in pre-1800 wars (which are nearly innumerable).
Fifth Note: The US has been secretly and openly supporting guerrilla and insurgent operations in many middle eastern countries for over half a century, it is only logical we got it back in the kisser. Point is, 9/11 wasn't just a random attack, and neither was Iraqi aggression. The CIA put Saddam in power as well as trained what became the Taliban. Don't cry about "necessary war" when we were looking for a fight.
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Im pro choice but I differ with you on a few things.
Lack of a brain does not denote lack of consiousness.
Consiousness itself is a poorly defined state.
In embrology you are not dealing with an organisim that HAD a functioning brain (by which you mean cerebral cortex) and lost it or it's function.
The neural tube and brain stem are among the first structures developed.
Before fingers and toes, before kidneys or eyelashes.
It is anatomically incorrect to assume no "consiousness" exsits.
Soilders lives are not sacrificed to maintain order in society.
If anything that is the police.
Soilders are the extention of the national policy of a state. The means by which national interest is expressed as represented by warfare, the extreme end of foreign policy.
Except as a matter of self defense it is NOT ethical.
Can you make a self defense claim for a mother NOT in medical extremis to abort ?
A fetus IS biologically a human being. It is not fully developed,but neither is a 5 year old.
A splinter is a sliver of a tree.A seed might have been a better analogy.
You assume facts not in evidence regarding deaths from war vs abortion.
You MAY be right, but you don't prove it by saying so.
Refer to your "First Note".
Re: Fifth Note, your proof is what ? You heard somebody else say it ? Seems about right ?
The Taliban ARE insurgents. We helped create,arm and train them to fight the Soviets.
For this we deserved to have 3000 civillians killed ?
They are religious fanatics who object to our presence in their part of the world.
They blew up 1000 year old Buddahs in Afganistan for not being Islamic.
In any event,do you think they support abortion rights ?
1. Prenatal care minimizes the whole "compromised health" issue. 2. There are all kinds of medications that you can take in labour to manage your pain. You don't have to go natural if you don't want to. 3. Again, the blood loss can be monitored by nurses and doctors. Did someone force these women in question to conceive the baby? The vast majority of pregnancies are the result of a consensual relationship and not rape. Nobody forced them to take that risk. They did it voluntarily. It isn't unreasonable to ask people to not kill their unborn child to spare themselves some temporary physical inconveniences. Pregnancies only last 9 months, and at the end you can have a fully medicated pain-free birth if you so desire, and in between conception and birth you can get something called "prenatal care", so that if you have problems you'll be helped. >And what the f**k makes you think you have the right to force any woman to endure that? What makes YOU think that a woman has the right to force a baby to endure dismemberment and death, for any reason other than that she'll die without an abortion? I've had 3 babies. The first one was rough; I miscarried his twin. The second one was also rough - I wound up in the hospital for a month, I had a partial placental abruption and an emergency c-section because her heartrate was decelerating. The third one resulted in a stillbirth. I've lost 3 of the 5 babies I've ever conceived. And I still think that your argument doesn't hold water, and I still think that abortion is wrong and that unborn babies are alive even in the first trimester.
First note. A solider in the United States volunteers for military service. Whatever rewards are there for that service may entice him or her, but he or she still decides for themselves.
Second note, an unborn person IS human and the argument that it is not is ludicrous. If an unborn person is not human, than what is it? Jellyfish? Bovine?
Third note, War and Abortion is comparing apples and oranges. It makes more sense to compare abortion to the death penalty. I do believe that there are crimes so heinous that the only way justice can be served is by the execution of guilty, ( Case and point Joseph Duncan and his crimes against the Groene family. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Duncan_III)
however, if I must choose life for the most heinous in order to preserve the life of the most innocent, then I will choose to not support the death penalty.
Fourth note, The greatness of a society is reflected in how that society treats the weakest of it's members. The unborn, the handicapped, both physically and mentally, the elderly, the young..... the treatment of all these people by the strongest, the fittest, determines the survival of said society. Not necessarily survival in a sense of actual physical survival, but more in the sense of what direction society takes. Once there is no care or regard for the weaker members, then the ideas of individual liberty being something that we are endowed with from our birth, changes to something that can only be won by the strongest. The weak become slaves with no autonomy and no rights. Their existence is determined by the mercy of tyrants and only to the point of how that slave is of benefit to their master.
So, only to the tyrant, are the unborn not human.
You have valid points about abortion. But your is wrong. I was in military and fought in war. No one is pro war. The republican party is pro military. Which means they want to be able to protect themselves from any country. Remember that most combat soldiers are republicans or conservatives. So under your logic,.they want to kill themselves., not rational. So you should not combine arguments. And you almost took away all credibility with the conspiracy theory stuff. When I got hurt in iraq, I went to intel analyst position. Saddam went out of his way to make the world think he had these weapons. You have to put your self in bush's shoes. 911 just happened and you have someone who has committed genocide before and is trying to make the world think he has weapons of mass destruction, what would you do? Would you risk it? I am not saying that I agree with the war., many of my friends died. But you have to put things in perspective. I am no Bush fan but at that time those are some big shoes.
Since you seem to be anti-war (which I also am, but possibly for different reasons), but pro-abortion, maybe you would sleep better at night if you just considered all the bad guys we have killed to protect your freedom, as very late term abortions
So, by your way of thinking, I should be a hero of the left, because I didn't kill the enemy, I aborted them.
lets see.
many flaws in your logic. 1st let me point out:
"An unborn developing human (of any stage) has none to questionable consciousness"
by that logic it should be OK to kill the baby after it is born. also what if a baby is born early? are you really saying a baby born at 7 months is more conscious than a baby in the womb at 7 months even though their brains are the same size?
also:
as far as military. when both sides fight each soldier unlike the baby has a chance to defend themselves.
Skippy.....it's not Rocket Science
If you don't want to risk contracting an STD and/or an unwanted pregnancy.....USE A CONDOM which is 97 % effective protecting against STDs and/or pregnancies when worn properly
It goes like this.........anti-abortion = pro-life........pro-abortion = pro-death
I fail to understand how liberals don't bat an eye when the skull of a later term baby is torn off with forceps as the innocent baby is butchered during a late term abortion while these same liberals get faint at the thought of a convicted serial murderer being executed in prison ?
BTW - Skip.....you don't have to be afraid to say the word " baby "......
Nobody says.......
" Is this your first fetus or have you been pregnant before ? "
" Let's give her a fetus shower ! "
" If you put you hand on my abdomen....you can feel the fetus kick "
"I didn't even know you were pregnant..... Is it a girl fetus or a boy fetus ? "
" Have you thought of a name for your fetus ? "
Liberals often accuse conservatives of lacking a humanist touch but frankly this is where emotion is necessary. Once you take out the fact that the "fetus"when will grow to be what you are today you have lost the meaning of humanity.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Even God sent the Israelites to war, to clear the land of heathens that would contaminate his people and cause them to chase after other Gods. Their is a big difference between war and murdering babies.If you don't understand that you need more education.
Human is human.
You know it, I know it.
An infant doesn't have the capacity for self-realization either, which is exactly why a group of scientists in England are pushing for legalized infanticide.
I know human life is created at conception, and I know those who argue against it are evil.