Personally for me the issue has always been what is true Sunnah and never that it does not exist or apply. At the same time It is crystal clear from the Quran that we don't need any additional sources to understand the message of the Quran. By the same token we have not been prevented from seeking inspiration from the life of the Prophet Pbuh. The issue is and is likely to continue to determine what was the true Sunnah. There is no official version of Hadith for the simple reason that QURAN DID NOT AUTHORIZE either an individual or a group and neither a methodology to go by other than the use of our normal faculties of reason and logic. The unauthorized claim of Ijma employed for the purpose, as one of the three alien concepts (the other two being abrogation and Shaan e Nazool) which has crept into Islam, has had a debilitating effect on our progress as a nation.
Edit: I will try to be there
Edit2: For the Atheists, I would just like to remind them that 5000 years of philosophical gymnastics has concluded that we cannot hope to go beyond proving the existence of our own consciousness, that's right just our own, that even when we get to that stage, if ever. How long still before we admit to needing help. The best help can be found in the inductive true facts of revelations which are 100% verifiable. Verify them and move up.
Edit:@Live 4 something : I think I did not make it clear "certain questions that we dont have answers to"
You don't get it, you cannot even prove your existence, its not certain answers, you steal universal truths from the revelations and then try to sell it to the unsuspecting as your own, I am sorry you cannot get by us with this kind of kid logic :)
What i believe is, a True Muslim never disobeys Quran by mocking, bashing, ranting and trolling like a kid. What did i learn is, Quranists do not spare a chance to mock, bash, rant and troll. Quranists Bella is the recent example in front of us.
I am not interested in hearing anymore about their distorted cult. Not interested. I obey Allah and as he instructed to follow our Prophet (pbuh) in example on how to live a pious life as a Muslim. They are free to do and think what they like, but I certainly dont have to partake in it or waste my life talking to deaf ears and closed hearts.
Not interested sorry wasted enough time on here with ''Quranists'' already....over it!
if you got any balls, come debate an Atheist. I will tear your quran and sunnah into pieces.
Edit. (Reply to Life Guru)
We Atheists admit that there are certain questions that we dont have answers to and each day through science we are trying to find them. But we don't go around making up stories about a magic man on the clouds is cause of all things.
You talk about 100% verifiable revelations. Verifiable on whose accounts? you and your fellow Muslim's faith base evidence? Christians claim their revelations to be 100% Authentic, at one point the Greeks considered their mythology 100% authentic. So who is right in the end?
Your revelations come from a Man 1600 years ago calls himself the last prophet. Who had the knowledge of God and has directly seen and spoken with him. Yet 1600 years later, no one man has ever seen this God, even the Muhammad's own companions have never received a word from God.
Your revelations are no different from the Christians who claim that there revelation is 100% truth because it comes from the son of god. A the son of an immortal supernatural being who sent his son in the human form to reveal the word to the humans. so what makes their so obsolete compares to yours, except the fact that you believe it is 100% correct based on your faith.
Perhaps it is you who should look at the authenticity of these "100% verifiable revelations" before telling anyone to accept them and move up
6:80 And his people debated with him. He said: �Do you debate with me regarding God, when He has guided me? I do not fear that which you have set up except if my Lord wills; my Lord encompasses all things in knowledge; will you not remember?
42:16 And those who debate about God, after they had been answered, their argument is nullified at their Lord. They have incurred a wrath, and will have a severe retribution.
Answers & Comments
Verified answer
Bismillah
My answer is same as of "She Said".
Anyways, i will try to be here. :)
There is NO Islam without Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the way HE practiced Quran. That's the Dead End & Full Stop. :)
"And we have made Quran easy to understand" :)
Verses are crystal clear, NO Ifs, Buts, Wheres, and Why's, whatso ever :)
edit @ Asker
Here are the verses commanding us to Obey Allah, Obey & Follow Messenger.
1:6-7 > answer is > 4:69
3:20
3:31
3:32
5:92
8:1
8:20
8:46
9:71
24:47
24:51
24:52
24:54
25:27
33:21
33:33
33:66
33:71
47:33
48:17
49:7
49:14
58:13
64:12
@ Asker, please read my answer here too.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AhpjY...
Personally for me the issue has always been what is true Sunnah and never that it does not exist or apply. At the same time It is crystal clear from the Quran that we don't need any additional sources to understand the message of the Quran. By the same token we have not been prevented from seeking inspiration from the life of the Prophet Pbuh. The issue is and is likely to continue to determine what was the true Sunnah. There is no official version of Hadith for the simple reason that QURAN DID NOT AUTHORIZE either an individual or a group and neither a methodology to go by other than the use of our normal faculties of reason and logic. The unauthorized claim of Ijma employed for the purpose, as one of the three alien concepts (the other two being abrogation and Shaan e Nazool) which has crept into Islam, has had a debilitating effect on our progress as a nation.
Edit: I will try to be there
Edit2: For the Atheists, I would just like to remind them that 5000 years of philosophical gymnastics has concluded that we cannot hope to go beyond proving the existence of our own consciousness, that's right just our own, that even when we get to that stage, if ever. How long still before we admit to needing help. The best help can be found in the inductive true facts of revelations which are 100% verifiable. Verify them and move up.
Edit:@Live 4 something : I think I did not make it clear "certain questions that we dont have answers to"
You don't get it, you cannot even prove your existence, its not certain answers, you steal universal truths from the revelations and then try to sell it to the unsuspecting as your own, I am sorry you cannot get by us with this kind of kid logic :)
YA is already an open debate/ When you debate the Quran you at least have to know what it says then you may debate what it means to you.
If it will encourage people to look up anything in the Quran and try to understand it, it will help otherwise it is the same.
What i believe is, a True Muslim never disobeys Quran by mocking, bashing, ranting and trolling like a kid. What did i learn is, Quranists do not spare a chance to mock, bash, rant and troll. Quranists Bella is the recent example in front of us.
This question is a height of ignorance.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuHtT...
Yet another height of ignorance is.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AvvPa...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuXYz...
Hearts are won by love not by hate. (O_o)
I am not interested in hearing anymore about their distorted cult. Not interested. I obey Allah and as he instructed to follow our Prophet (pbuh) in example on how to live a pious life as a Muslim. They are free to do and think what they like, but I certainly dont have to partake in it or waste my life talking to deaf ears and closed hearts.
Not interested sorry wasted enough time on here with ''Quranists'' already....over it!
Bell, Yes..
It is extremely easy. Sunnah is proven from Quran.
Agreed with She Said and Strong.
~Sorry I would have participated but I am rather busy.
If I wasn't busy I will take part inshaAllah..
leave the quranist out
if you got any balls, come debate an Atheist. I will tear your quran and sunnah into pieces.
Edit. (Reply to Life Guru)
We Atheists admit that there are certain questions that we dont have answers to and each day through science we are trying to find them. But we don't go around making up stories about a magic man on the clouds is cause of all things.
You talk about 100% verifiable revelations. Verifiable on whose accounts? you and your fellow Muslim's faith base evidence? Christians claim their revelations to be 100% Authentic, at one point the Greeks considered their mythology 100% authentic. So who is right in the end?
Your revelations come from a Man 1600 years ago calls himself the last prophet. Who had the knowledge of God and has directly seen and spoken with him. Yet 1600 years later, no one man has ever seen this God, even the Muhammad's own companions have never received a word from God.
Your revelations are no different from the Christians who claim that there revelation is 100% truth because it comes from the son of god. A the son of an immortal supernatural being who sent his son in the human form to reveal the word to the humans. so what makes their so obsolete compares to yours, except the fact that you believe it is 100% correct based on your faith.
Perhaps it is you who should look at the authenticity of these "100% verifiable revelations" before telling anyone to accept them and move up
CAN YOU REALLY DEBATE FOLLOWING GOD ALONE?
OR THE QURAN?
Sunnah is in the Quran!
Hadith is in the Quran!
you have conjectured terms. without authority.
6:80 And his people debated with him. He said: �Do you debate with me regarding God, when He has guided me? I do not fear that which you have set up except if my Lord wills; my Lord encompasses all things in knowledge; will you not remember?
42:16 And those who debate about God, after they had been answered, their argument is nullified at their Lord. They have incurred a wrath, and will have a severe retribution.
I can only clearly invite to truth!